Saturday, October 6, 2018
Sam Kleppe's bad day
Some thoughts on the partial(?) sheriff's report posted by a commenter on our previous post. (Thanx.) There are no huge revelations, and all the gory stuff is blacked out, but a couple of things jump out:
1. Apparently Yu Chen was indeed under sail and not down in the water when the collision occurred. With very few other boats around at the time, he should have stuck out like a cherry on a cream pie. Yeah it's tough to see out of that Rescue boat due to the high bow when planing, the angled windshield, etc, but in the end, a motorboat can only hit a sailboat if the motorboater does something wrong.
2. One disturbing comment that might indicate a defect in motorboat driver training says they look mainly to the right (p. 34) because motorboats coming from that direction have right of way. Yu Chen approached from their left (see page 9).
3. Chris Kleppe declined to have his blood tested after the incident, and while Sam Kleppe and Bill Stebbins submitted to blood tests, their results are redacted in the report. That doesn't look good. If they were clean, then the sheriff sure didn't do them a favor by blacking that out.
One can blame Yu Chen for not looking where he was going, but the report says he was coming from the east, and it was late afternoon, so he was looking straight into the sun--and the sun was not in the motorboat driver's eyes. And of course, sailboats have right-of-way. Were there reflections off the waves to the east..? Probably, but if visibility was so poor, then Harvey should have slowed down.
In a big motorboat on Lake Mendota, you are obligated to be aware of what's around you at all times and how fast any other craft are moving. That's stating the obvious, and yet, it obviously needs to be stated. Even while skippering Spray on windy days, I'm often uncomfortable when other boats are around because if we hit one, we could do serious damage. So, I make sure there is no chance of intercepting any other boats. Of course, a sailboarder could hit us if he wanted to because he's much faster, but the Rescue motorboat typically goes 4-5 times as fast as Spray. Nor do they have a headsail to interfere with visibility.
The report does not disprove the theory that Yu Chen was hotdogging, e.g. swinging by Harvey to wave hello. Maybe Yu was headed north, then swung west to approach them, and meanwhile, they turned their attention to the west, thinking he was well clear of them. Yu misjudged their speed, or his own, and.... However, this scenario seems unlikely because then he would have been well aware of where the motorboat was. In any case, if a motorboat driver is exercising due care, it should be impossible for him to hit a sailor. If one is on a collision course or deliberately trying to intercept the motorboat, the driver must change course or drop speed.
The most startling item in the report may be where Sam says they'd been cruising along for 3-4 minutes when suddenly he saw a windsurfer "three feet off the bow."
Even on Spray, you wouldn't want to find yourself three feet off the bow of an 8,000 lb motorboat doing 25 knots.
1. Apparently Yu Chen was indeed under sail and not down in the water when the collision occurred. With very few other boats around at the time, he should have stuck out like a cherry on a cream pie. Yeah it's tough to see out of that Rescue boat due to the high bow when planing, the angled windshield, etc, but in the end, a motorboat can only hit a sailboat if the motorboater does something wrong.
2. One disturbing comment that might indicate a defect in motorboat driver training says they look mainly to the right (p. 34) because motorboats coming from that direction have right of way. Yu Chen approached from their left (see page 9).
3. Chris Kleppe declined to have his blood tested after the incident, and while Sam Kleppe and Bill Stebbins submitted to blood tests, their results are redacted in the report. That doesn't look good. If they were clean, then the sheriff sure didn't do them a favor by blacking that out.
One can blame Yu Chen for not looking where he was going, but the report says he was coming from the east, and it was late afternoon, so he was looking straight into the sun--and the sun was not in the motorboat driver's eyes. And of course, sailboats have right-of-way. Were there reflections off the waves to the east..? Probably, but if visibility was so poor, then Harvey should have slowed down.
In a big motorboat on Lake Mendota, you are obligated to be aware of what's around you at all times and how fast any other craft are moving. That's stating the obvious, and yet, it obviously needs to be stated. Even while skippering Spray on windy days, I'm often uncomfortable when other boats are around because if we hit one, we could do serious damage. So, I make sure there is no chance of intercepting any other boats. Of course, a sailboarder could hit us if he wanted to because he's much faster, but the Rescue motorboat typically goes 4-5 times as fast as Spray. Nor do they have a headsail to interfere with visibility.
The report does not disprove the theory that Yu Chen was hotdogging, e.g. swinging by Harvey to wave hello. Maybe Yu was headed north, then swung west to approach them, and meanwhile, they turned their attention to the west, thinking he was well clear of them. Yu misjudged their speed, or his own, and.... However, this scenario seems unlikely because then he would have been well aware of where the motorboat was. In any case, if a motorboat driver is exercising due care, it should be impossible for him to hit a sailor. If one is on a collision course or deliberately trying to intercept the motorboat, the driver must change course or drop speed.
The most startling item in the report may be where Sam says they'd been cruising along for 3-4 minutes when suddenly he saw a windsurfer "three feet off the bow."
Even on Spray, you wouldn't want to find yourself three feet off the bow of an 8,000 lb motorboat doing 25 knots.
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So the dude gets the equivalent of a breathalyzer refusal? What are the implications for denying collection of blood or breath? Can't the Sheriff require one?
ReplyDeleteHow can it be in this day and age that an individual can demand and receive protection over their precious bodily fluids?
Was the driver of the boat black? You can bet your bippy that it would have been a different result ---they'd just beat it of 'em and send it to State Lab. No bail, just jail.
We need a correspondence school lawyer (any UW Law Grads on board) to enlighten.
Judge Kavanaugh makes this all moot.
ReplyDeleteYou know why Supreme Court Justices wear robes?
So you can't see their pants down around their ankles.
The whole thing with Yu Chen was a whitewash. Don't worry UW MGMT! Just like Kavanaugh and Justice Thomas' robes, the system has got you covered.
The owner of this blog, and the people that buy into what he says, all must see a very distorted reality of life. Delusional. Grab a beer boys, you need to relax.
ReplyDeleteTime to let it go. UW-Rescue did an outstanding job over the years. Thousands upon thousands of rescues involving Hoofers and non-Hoofers. To keep ripping them over the one time they were in the wrong is just not right. It was a tragedy. And the folks on that Rescue boat will be reliving it every day for the rest of their lives.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing that can be raised is not the tragedy but the lack of responsiveness by the public officials who gave the appearance of stonewalling whether they meant to or not. That made everyone wonder what was going on.
I support the Men and Women of UW-Rescue.
"Grab a beer boys, you need to relax."
ReplyDeleteI agree, chill out, there has only been one Hoofer sailing death in the past couple of years. Big f'kin deal. Oh wait, there have been two but whatever.
In any case it is my understanding the report was not available until sometime this summer, and I know there are people who wanted to see it. Of course it was an accident and a tragedy but that does that mean it should be swept under the rug like the whole incident was?
New topic: Is Hoofer's Sailing Club an anachronism?
ReplyDelete'a thing belonging or appropriate to a period other than that in which it exists, especially a thing that is conspicuously old-fashioned.'
Ooooh, great question! This article sheds a lot of light on the answer.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/losing-the-democratic-habit/568336/
The Hoofer Sailing Club was of a piece with America's fading democratic tradition. That's why it had to go, replaced by the Wisconsin Union Sailing Service run by bureaucratic administrators in their expensive offices.
It's what happens when not enough people complain, rules are not enforced fairly, and those in authority are allowed to do as they please.
ReplyDeleteGeez Louise! In the past few years we now have UWPD and Event Staff policing the Terrace. It is valuable property and money is made through the various MU business units. Hoofers has been annexed and viewed as a business unit. You see, we have the guards because this is now deemed valuable space. If the space is filled with riff-raff from State Street or the Hoofers are running around sloshed, this directly impacts the UW Memorial Union BRAND. That's right, BRAND.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the current BRAND the UW Memorial Union promotes for its lands? Does the Hoofers of the past and even the present complement or detract from the BRAND? Once you wrap your head around what the UW Memorial Union BRAND is, then you'll know the future of Hoofers.
Let that sink in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_management
In the 60s, the Rat's 'management' was distressed by beatniks stashing their winter coats on chairs, occasionally putting their feet on chairs, and hired young women to 'police' the place. They were derided as "Rat Bunnies" and eventually faded away. Things don't change all that much.
DeleteThou Art Branded raises an interesting point: What is the plan for the UW Memorial Union BRAND?
ReplyDeleteIt behooves UW Union MGMT and Hoofer Club Leaders to meet and work together. By working towards that common ideal, Hoofers will be a stakeholder at the table. Best for both sides to be forthcoming and roll with the times.
On a brand-related note: The official Hoofers gear sold is pretty mainstream. Nothing really imaginative there. Not a put-down. But there could be so much more!
Let's build a better brand for tomorrow.
Business Opportunities
ReplyDelete1. With the Marina adding capacity, having some large motor-powered Cruise boats like private sector has would be cool while creating a few new business units for the UW Union.
2. Seriously need something for the non-Hoofer public to get out on the water. Canoes and kayaks are fine but maybe augment with some of those paddle boats. No motors to maintain and we can chain them up at night and cover with duck netting.
3. Motorboat overflow parking at paid metered spots on or near the Tong Family Marina. These would be open after sunset for people motoring over to the Union for brats and music.
4. Yeah. More Hoofer gear! People love to have memories to bring back with them.
5. Private sailing lessons. Premium dollars but do these during non-peak hours so we don't crowd out the club members.
#2, #3 and #5 are probably doable. If they haven't thought of it already, should propose them to WI Union Management.
ReplyDeleteDon't think #4 is going to change. Big contracts and such are hard for the state to negotiate. Be some private sector uproar going with #1. Plus, that's pretty well covered.
The only brand worth caring about is Hoofers as a collection of outdoor-loving individuals coming together as an independent club. The idea of the Wisconsin Union and UW-Outdoors being a jobs program in need of more marketing tricks is disturbing. I see some of you are excited about the possibilities of using Hoofers as a brand to suck money off and that will be the final nail in the coffin of the club.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteThe Club thrived over the years by embracing change. It expanded, added new Hoofers units, shed them, etc. Parachute Club, Spelunking and so on to name a few. The idea was that there were people left behind and by including them fresh blood and ideas invigorated Hoofers.
Hoofers is in the Making Memories Industry, not just sailing. Just look at all those people posing in the over-sized MU chair. Or the endless sunset pics over Picnic Point. And, with those memories are outdoors experiences. Some might be in a kayak or a canoe. For others, it is being on the Terrace or under the awning basking in the atmosphere.
We have to BE THE CHANGE, otherwise the change will be made by others for us. We need to coexist and partner, as a club, with the MU MGMT. More than likely they will welcome the input and fresh ideas.
It appears Russian trolls are now infecting this blog with Scott Walker "Open For Business" Republican talking points. It's crazy that I can't tell if it's a joke or not because there's plenty of Wisconsin Union employees that want to squeeze as much cash out of UW funds as they can.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, yes these are talking points common to the dominant political party of the state. Not to say that they are good ideas, but they are ideas.
ReplyDeleteMore importantly, work with the UW MU MGMT and see if a) they have a vision b) if they do, how can Hoofers be a part of that vision.
Whether you want it to be this way or not, UW Union is Open 4 Business! They have to be profitable now. I am not saying I agree with that either, just that it is the way it is now. And, we live/sail/play/groan/laugh/cry under whatever it is now.
Do we have a Pier-in with the new Tong Family Marina in the spring or is that handled differently now?
ReplyDeleteHave a great winter break everyone! See ya in the spring
@Open 4 business: The Wisconsin Union has NO "vision" whatsoever. It's just the Union director doing whatever he can to remodel everything and change things, mostly for the worse, to redo it in his own mundane image. After all, his is a lifetime appointment, like fellow abuser Brett Kavanaugh.
ReplyDeleteUnion management hate the old Hoofers because so many people were having so much fun, so what do they do? They destroy it. Guthier doesn't care, he could never participate anyway, although in his dreams he is roaring along on a J-24 at sunset with a bottle of Malibu in his hand and friends by his side, or riding one of his staff like a drunken pony at Commodores Cup.
By the way, the union does not have to be profitable--it can't go out of business because it is part of the UW.
I do agree with one thing you wrote: we now live/sail/cry under this abusive, egotistic, dictatorial regime.
Admiral,
ReplyDeleteUnder the current dominant political power, the UW System and its entities have been reorganized and made to justify their existence in terms of the bottom line. If the MU MGMT is as you say they are, then they will be replaced.
As Hoofers, we need to 'adapt and modify' how we interact and operate with the MU. It would be best for Hoofers to take the lead rather than be at affect of random MU MGMT decisions. Do we have any strong leaders within Hoofers who can work to that end?
I am just trying to raise awareness that the UW System as a whole has been vastly revamped and a new 'culture' injected into its organs. Hoofers is an organ of the UW System. If it becomes a vestigial organ (of no use) then like an appendix it gets removed at the first few signs of trouble.
Hoofers needs to be a viable organ of the state. We can still offer the same programs but we need to modify the 'optics'---the perception of the Club --- as a positive contributor to the UW System. It already is a positive contributor, but the current optics has the club as a detractor even though its presence and people and activities contribute to the positive ambiance of the Union.
I don't have any answers. Just raising awareness in my humble opinion as to where we are at. Just my op-ed. Thanks.
What is the most pressing issue for the Hoofer Sailing Club today?
ReplyDeleteIs it really an issue or are we just creating problems to kvetch about?
Club seems fine to me. So, wassup?
Wassup with people signing up to the club and not being able to get into a class for weeks?
ReplyDeletePressing issue hmmm when the club gets rammed with too many rules nobody respects and nobody believes in the leadership or cares to volunteer or even vote.
ReplyDeleteHoofers is one of the great expressions of the Wisconsin Idea. Scott Walker set-out to destroy the Wisconsin Idea and today it withers.
ReplyDeleteI've often wondered how the conservatives in our Club can continue to support Walker while they themselves suckle at the very communal teat (Hoofers) Walker wants to remove.
They benefit from the Wisconsin Idea yet support a man who wants to destroy the Wisconsin Idea. It is a dichotomy that just leaves me shaking my head. Hey, these are nice people. Let's give everyone a chance to sort things out.
Dichotomy, it is no great revelation that people vote against their own interests. You forgot climate change which is denied by Walker. The rapid heat-up and explosive storm bombs that rocked Wisconsin rendering the lakefront useless for boating could not have been any more apparent.
ReplyDeleteThe future is coal? Uh, right.
Is there going to be a new keelboat pier or are we keeping the old one? Is this getting built over the winter and ready to go in May and June?
ReplyDeleteFound this helpful FAQ on the Hoofer site. We be jamming with a fresh marina in the spring!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://hoofersailing.org/?q=tongfamilymarina
Thank you Tong Family for the Marina and nice to have a scow pier again. Way to go Hoofers! Here's to the future of the Club! http://hoofersailing.org/?q=tongfamilymarina
ReplyDeleteI checked out that pier link and the FAQ. I was wondering how many Techs is the floating pier going to hold. Has anybody studied the effect of crashing waves on boats tied to the top of a pier? I've seen 4 foot waves from the north every few years. And these boats will be tied down by newbees. Better bump up the insurance maximums.
ReplyDeleteTechs are like da Terminator. Very Arhh-nold like. Waves will toss them onto shore from floating piers, jah. But Arhh-nold like Techs be like, I'll be back.
ReplyDelete