Some commenters were correct that the database can be examined by instructors and BOC for all sorts of data, including ratings (see edited database entry at right). Yet, despite the fact that some 100+ individuals can spend their nights looking through the database, downloading it, and shoving it up each other's arses, that data is not available to the public. Why? because some of it is supposedly protected by FERPA as part of students' educational records. Some of it, mind you, not all of it, but data for non-students isn't released either.
Hiding behind FERPA allows Hoofers and the UW to hide malfeasance such as ratings that were not earned, ratings that disappeared (e.g. were removed maliciously), libelous comments by instructors, damning statistics, etc. Greater transparency would benefit the vast majority, maybe even Hoofers itself; only those individuals who got their ratings on the sly and a few others who are up to no good benefit from hiding this data. Are sailing lessons in a public club part of one's educational record? They don't seem like the same thing as grades you receive in class, which definitely are not public record.
For those unfamiliar, the image above is one person's entry from the database, with personal info & details altered so the individual can't be identified. Notice the comments and ratings sections (also changed to protect the guilty). The info isn't always 100% complete but can generally be used to tally ratings.
Having personal info in there, e.g. phone number and address, also allows unscrupulous male instructors & BOC to stalk cute female club members, like a UWPD police captain did a couple of years ago to a terrified woman using a restricted law enforcement database. And he's just the one they caught--other cops undoubtedly do the same thing and get away with it. If police officers are willing to do that, you can bet Hoofer employees are too. Is there even a rule against a male instructor using the database to track down a girl he'd like to jump..?
No wonder certain webmasters and others pushed to have everyone's photo and personal info in a big database. If I were an undergraduate woman, I certainly wouldn't provide my address when I join HSC. That is, if someone managed to talk me into joining in the first place.
Who at Hoofer's does one contact to request the high-level data on:
ReplyDeleteRatings by Fleet by year
E.g. Tech Ratings given in 2010, Tech Ratings given in 2011, etc.
{Pro-tip} You can at least read the club's board meeting minutes at
ReplyDeletehttp://www.hoofersailing.org/?q=about/documents
HOOFER SAILING CLUB NEW RATINGS PER YEAR
2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 CHANGE
Motorbt 96 106 107 72 84 63 28 -71%
Tech 548 514 466 444 442 325 293 -47%
Laser 90 88 53 53 17 30 53 -41%
Bytes 30 15 18 16 20 20 18 -40%
J-Fleet 95 111 68 91 98 54 62 -35%
Windsrf 262 253 335 150 243 186 179 -32%
H.Keel 30 48 43 43 43 39 23 -23%
Scow 24 30 38 44 54 46 20 -17%
Sloop 172 175 127 197 182 193 148 -14%
420 135 129 98 93 109 103 130 -4%
TOTAL 1482 1469 1353 1203 1292 1059 954 -36%
MEMBERS 1325 1321 1423 1192 1470 1294 1174 -12%
LESSONS 3156 2861 2767 2275 1906 1654 1357 -57%
Techs down by almost half - and this is the entry level.
ReplyDelete420's take the least hit at -4%.
What does this tell us about the club? Membership oscillates as it historically does. But the overall trend for lessons and ratings is one continuous race to the bottom.
I think the Tech bunks tell the story. There used to be 35-40 Techs filling all of the bunks. Now half that bunk space is used to store 420's. And, 420's only declined by 4%. But, the Techs are the entry level boat. In that time, Tech ratings fell by 47%.
We need the new members to take Tech lessons, Windsurfing Lessons and Keels. Techs have been a prerequisite for getting rated on other boats. What happened? More importantly, this needs to be addressed.
The data tells us a story.
Pro-tip - you are making up numbers here. They are not in the minutes of the Board of Captains, and unless you spent the last ten weeks counting up ratings for thousands of members, the information you are putting out there is NOT available.
ReplyDeleteJust a tip from a different person. Quit making up stuff and people might actually take you seriously. Or tell us where you can find these numbers?
@Saylor Stats: Contact Dave Elsmo or Jacob Hahn for that data. You will have to look up their e-mail addresses. You might want to ask for the data going back farther than 2010 in order to provide s longer-term picture of trends.
ReplyDelete@Pro-tip guy: What is the source of your data? Did you tally those yourself from the database, or are those Dave's summaries, or--? More detail would also be good if it is there.
ReplyDeleteFor example, do Tech ratings include light + heavy i assume? And is that keelboat skipper ratings only, or skipper + crew? Same for J-fleet light/heavy. Also maybe breakdown by type of Scow, although they are almost an afterthought at this point. Good work so far though. I have seen some rough statistics before and yours look ballpark.
Ask any current instructor or BOC member to go into the lesson site and to the reports section. It's all in a simple database with premade report queries just a couple of clicks away.
ReplyDeleteAll lessons, ratings, and even check-outs have been recorded for the last fifteen years. It's easy to verify. The problem might be finding somebody who cares anymore. Anybody?
I just saw an ad for a job with Hoofer's. It is for a Sailing Club Head of Instruction, Head Coach
ReplyDeleteHere's the link: https://www.ohr.wisc.edu/weblisting/External/PVLSummaryPrint.aspx?pvl_num=95956
Dave Elsmo is retiring while the lakefront is razed for the new Marina.
Now what? in addition to the new Tong Family Marina they should add a Dining Club to have a fine dining experience after a day sailing on a Keel. A nice place that you can put on the ole AMEX card for business deductions. Exclusive? Well, if you have to ask....
"Garcon! I'll have the Surf n Turf with extra butter for the crab legs. Bring Chad and Claire-bear here the Prime Rib."
We'll finally get the club that we, er, a few of us really deserve ;)
Wow, dat super sick! Hadna heard about dat one. Now I wonderin, if all da criticism has take a toll on Davie, or is he bein promoted up da stairs? Anyways, bye Dave! You be missin. Hopin for calamari at da new food joint.
ReplyDeleteDave is now the sailing club advisor. If the BOC had any sense we'd get one person to be Head of Instructor and another Sailing Team Coach. Two part-time positions, one for a recent instructor and another for a graduating team member. No conflicts of interest.
ReplyDeleteEvening to all of you Blogspot fans. As usually seems to be the case, the blogger tends to pick and choose their data to "cook" the numbers by playing the interval of his analysis. But as in any data-gathering and interpretation process, if one tortures the data long enough it will tell them anything. He has many of you following him, likely because many of you hate Elsmo.
ReplyDeleteIt is fine to hate the man and put up numbers in order to prove WHY he should be fired. But fake numbers diminish any argument some of you might have had. Bad decisions are generally made using bad information or tortured data as is the case in Fleet Commanders numbers.
So here are a couple of statistics that are FROM the web-site. Real numbers from reports I pulled earlier today.
Lessons given=
04-01-2010 > 09-30-2013 - 11,527
04-01-2014 > 09-30-2017 - 10,636
Membership
04-01-2010 > 09-30-2013 = 101,104
04-01-2015 > 09-30-2017 = 100,657
In this analysis, I used 04-01-2010 through and including 09-30-2013. We can all agree (I hope) that this year (2018) was a write-off due to the dock collapsing and needing another inspection, as well as a number of other things. Using the 2018 season in any analysis is not valid, and would have skewed the data. The blogster is firing blanks because he does not think that his readers will check. I did.
The two sets of data counting the same amount of weeks/months from two different four year period brings us to this point. To the fact that the ship is NOT sinking. Membership over the two time frames was 101,104 (2010 - 2013) as opposed to 100,657 (2014-2017). That is a difference of (-)447 in gross membership when comparing the two time frames, or a reduction of an aggregated 112 members per month.
The same holds true with lessons. This data is aggregated by year because I do not have the time to do this by week. So from a lesson standpoint the club dropped(-)891 lessons against the 2010-2013 data, or a drop of 222 lessons per month.
Tell me again what statistics this blogger used? As I recall, they appeared to be FAR more alarming than what I took off the system today. He seems to be sowing panic among this fringe readers. The members of his hate-Hoofer cult seem to buy anything he says. But if you are going to put stuff out there, it at least needs to be based on sound compilation and not grinding axes or personal opinions.
Go ahead...look them up yourself, but they do NOT match what Fleet Commander wrote in this blog. Notice the interval he uses as it relates to the time-frame of his numbers. A long interval during his likely reign as opposed to the month/years he picked to make some point that still eludes me.
This guy is a fraud and a liar. Making stuff up or altering time frames in order to make the data fit into his point about fewer lessons and memberships. Try to check some of the junk data comparisons the blogger makes with your own investigation of the numbers. He has a personal agenda and has to torture the old numbers to some extent in order to make that data match what he is saying. Or thinking.
Even though his numbers do not match reality.
To Anonymous at 10:16:00 - We (blog admins) have not posted any stats lately. The lessons and ratings statistics posted in the comments up above and on the blog's previous post are someone else's.
ReplyDeleteAs for your numbers above, um, 101,104 members for 04-01-2010 -> 09-30-2013?? I think your decimal point is off. As engineers we learn to real-world-check our results to be sure they make sense. Maybe that value is total sailing hours (member-hours with boats checked out on all fleets) or something like that? It sure isn't membership because that would be 25,000 members per year! I mean, we can dream, but....
By the same methodology, we can toss out your whole analysis because statistically, there is virtually no chance of two numbers coming out so close to each other (100,657/101,104=99.6%). Much more likely is that you didn't use the database queries correctly, but again it's unclear what those big numbers actually represent.
I do agree that 2018 is an off year, which is why engineers also generally throw out the high and low values in any analysis--they are assumed to be anomalous.
Monday September 27 you or one of your faithful did. You also have made reference to having so many fewer members and so many fewer lessons. When STATISTICIANS use numbers such as those on the site, they tend to AGGREGATE them. And so the 101,104 members is preceded by the word aggregate. Get it, engineering student?
ReplyDeleteSo no, Hoofers did not have 101,104 active members over the time period. They had 101,104 AGGREGATE members. This means you need to break it out by week. Certainly in your engineering class you learned this? If you did not, there is no basis for tossing out real numbers because you do not understand how do deal with aggregated data. You seem to be looking for the numbers to be wrong so taht you can make your own narrative.
Do it by the week if you like, but the fact is that the number of lessons and aggregate membership is not all that much different between the two four-year spans.
Unless you want it to be.
This whole conversation started with bitching about beginner lesson availability.
ReplyDeleteBreakdown request shows Tech and Windsurfing lesson/ratings numbers are hit the hardest starting in 2015. 4-year averages will hide that. Any numbers that don't break down lessons by fleet are useless, IMHO, they include all kinds non-lesson events.
LESSON BREAKDOWN 2010 - 2016
.....................2010....2011....2012...2013...2014..2015...2016
420..................122.....100.....85.....107.....113.....48.....126
ASA....................0.....9.......36.....46.....46.....30.....27
Sloop................203.....228.....214.....277...227.....204.....219
Byte..................41.....22.....20.....15......38.......25.....29
Conference.............4.....7.......22.....9......4.......2.....0
Ground School.........83.....68.....68.....63......62......47.....59
Heavy Keelboat........470...575....437.....511.....383....314.....308
Intro to Keelboat.....50.....104....110.....115.....137....105.....47
Intro to Sailing.....168.....152....155.....164.....149....135.....116
Kiting................72.....73.....83.....79......106.....109.....45
Laser.................102.....57.....58.....37.....10......20.....73
Light Keelboat (J)...363.....387....371.....370.....254....231.....258
Marlinspike............0.....0......8.......16.......25.....29.....21
Motorboat..............38.....46.....57.....30......18.....19.....27
Minicourse..............0.....44.....58.....38.....0.....0........0
Scow..................78.....119.....171...101....177.....153....160
Special.................2.....28.....24.....6.....10......19.....14
Tech..................730.....634...598.....649...541....329.....400
Windsurfing...........446.....546...421.....304...416....274.....263
...................................
TOTAL LESSONS.........2972...3200...2996...2937...2719...2095...2195
MEMBERSHIP............1325...1321...1423...1192...1470...1294...1174
Apply Now! Deadline September 30
ReplyDeleteSailing Club Head of Instruction, Head Coach
Official Title: ASSOC RECREATION SPEC(T12FN)
Degree and area of specialization:
BA or BS in Outdoor Recreation, Education or a related field required
License/certification: US Sailing Level 1 Certification
https://www.ohr.wisc.edu/weblisting/External/PVLSummaryPrint.aspx?pvl_num=95956
Interesting numbers, but they still don't tell the whole story. Membership and lessons were down back around 2007 or 2008 too, I think when Chris Frye was commodore, or maybe the year before. Is this why you started at 2010? They have dropped in the past couple of years, but maybe only because they trended upward around 2008 or 2009. Just natural fluctuations.
ReplyDeleteAnd, 730 Tech lessons in 2010?? That would be around 35/week, or 5/day AVERAGE over the entire season. Seems awfully high, but possible. In any case, you can just tell that number got lower going back into the earlier 2000's. I am not criticising your post, unless you were cherry-picking the data deliberately.
I see that the Union is looking for a new head of instruction and coach for the sailing team. Where is Dave Elsmo going? Is this an opportunity for the club to return to its roots and have someone from the board of captains running the instruction program?
ReplyDeleteThere was a time when you'd see 3 or 4 Tech A Lessons daily, plus a smattering of Tech Third Days. Instructors were forced to teach to member demand.
ReplyDeleteWhether you look at boat checkouts, lessons numbers or lesson participants, the club was in general increasing these numbers until around 2010. Since then there has been a downward trend especially on beginner boats and windsurfing. This year we probably lost many new members because of lesson availability. The flood and pier will get blamed for the real bad numbers of 2018 but the issue is more long term and multifaceted. Good luck to the new sailing team coach that will have to deal with this.
The 19th Hole is a better name for the Dining Club. After tennis, golf or yachting with Chad and Muffy one works up an appetite.
ReplyDeletedon't get too optimistic, it's going to be uw-risk management, sailing team bureaucrats, and union middle managers running the club to the ground for awhile. from the ashes perhaps something new will arise
ReplyDeleteTHE BUREAUCRACY IS THERE TO PRESERVE THE BUREAUCRACY'S JOBS. EXHIBIT #1 THE WISCONSIN UNION
ReplyDelete2010. The year a leader with longlongtime Hoofer experience was FIRED from the sailing club and a bunch of outside MINIONS were planted by WI Union executives. It happened. Nobody was left to protect the student club from the execution. And BTW hotdogs are too dangerous.
ReplyDeleteIs that what this blog is about? Revenge because the person who runs the blog was fired? I used to be a reader then dropped off because the central topic of complaining about any changes began to bore me. Same story, same complaints.
ReplyDeleteIn checking in this morning to read a few of the newer posts and comments I can see the bitterness is still there. So why was the Great Leader fired in 2010? Perhaps he should tell us these reasons?
This would be the forum in which to do so. Not just the standard "everyone who is not me is a criminal" stuff. But the solid, verifiable reasons for terminations.
Can you fill us all in on this apparent atrocity?
You aren ot goin to find positive things about the Great Leader in this blog considering some of the homophobic cartoons published here. The Great Leader was transfered out because of also false homophobic accusations not released to the public. It was very convinient for the Union heads to have a headless Hoofer organization. First, they found non-Hoofer minions to run the club. Then they started outlawing things. Like Hoofers grilling or cooking in the newly built Hoofer kitchen which would have really cut into Union Catering revenue. The list of things banned after the Great Leader left just goes on and on. Beer, members using tools, barn boat repairs, landing at the Edgewater pier, , , , ,
ReplyDeletePlease enlighten us with details of those secret accusations. Do you mean one particular incident was false or exaggerated, that got him the boot? Former Great Leader does prefer sausages to tacos (i know this from personal experience.) so a general such accusation wuold not be false.
ReplyDeleteIt would be something like accusing a certain ex-commodore of slamming a liter of rum on a Monday morning. Of course he didnt do that... but he is sloshed most of the time.
This blog would sure get more respect if it removed its extremely homophobic content and unnecessarily personal attacks. This obviously is not the place to discuss homophobic accusations that proved to be false. It hurt the club yet one of the bloggers appears to enjoy gay bashing. So move along to the next topic.
ReplyDeleteWe are all better than the cultural tribalism that is used to divide us. We must rise above it. I think this site has raised legitimate concerns. Most recently matters regarding the handling of the Yu Chen death and discussions about the new Marina. Now, it did not help that there was a sprinkling of what could be considered microagressions and I am being generous with that term. But, can't we all find something to be offended about? Aren't there people at this University who are perpetually offended on behalf of other groups? Sometimes that is used as a dodge or pivot from the main topic.
ReplyDeleteRight. So people have axes to grind with others. You know what? Talk to them in person and settle it. Reconciliation is a gift we give to ourselves :) We all need to elevate our game and use our brief time on this Earth for positive and productive purpose. Sometimes we slip and say or type things we regret. Forgive yourself and forgive others. It's a blessing.
There is a great opportunity with the new Tong Family Marina and the new HOI to get the club to where it needs to be. The Club management needs our collective experience, vision and traditions to move the Club forward.
Thank you for your time.
Well that post above really killed the board :P
ReplyDeleteIs there a link to the timeline for construction? Does construction of the Marina have any impact on use of boats at club during construction?
What type of volunteer work from Club Members will help during this time? Just trying to get the big picture of how things are happening during implementation and construction.
We're not talking about taking the whole club offline for a few years are we?
New Topic: Lower the Lake Levels?
ReplyDeleteLake Mendota is maintained artificially 5 feet above its natural level. This leaves a big pond that cannot be drained quickly when heavy rainfall events occur.
Do we save the city by lowering Mendota say 3-5 feet? The damage to the city infrastructure, buildings and disruption of the citizenry and Hoofer sailing operations will continue until action is taken.
Advantages to lake draw down: Seems like this would expand the marketable square feet for the Wisconsin Union and dredges could clear channels for the motorboats. It would also make creation of a breakwater structure to protect the Tong Family Marina that much easier.
Drain the Lake down 5 or status quo?
The project brochure on the Union site says that the marina will debut in spring of 2019. The construction has blocked all use of boats at the lakefront. The keelboats were lifted out early, and the team's boats are down at Willow Beach. There's no opportunity for volunteer work from club members.
ReplyDeleteI don't see much cultural tribalism other than the sailing team now having secured for years to come a tool as club advisor and another coming up as head of instruction. Who'll stop the team from gobbling up even more club resources that belong to the other 95% of the club?
ReplyDeleteNot to change the subject, but the sheriff's report on the collision between the rescue motorboat and Yu Chen is uploaded here:
ReplyDeletehttp://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=44012646694771498999
The gory details are all blacked out, but the report reveals that his board was chopped into little pieces. I am posting this not to dwell on the tragedy but because some people have asked about it.
New club members are needed to prop-up the top. Just like in our economy, club members given the hope of rising from lower fleets maintain our deserved position at the top. We need to maintain the appearance that they actually can rise to upper fleets. It's a variation on socio-economic mobility. To keep moving forward the lower fleets need some attention. Get the new members in the door, get their fees and have someone give them Tech lessons for an entire summer.
ReplyDeleteCan we call it the Bong Marina on this board or will that like send everyone running to their safe place?
ReplyDeleteSo, the Techs, the Lasers, the Scows, and the sloops are the "lower fleets?" Bit egotistical, isn't it? Clearly you are a keel sailor and think that those who learn to sail or instruct on these "lower fleets" are all wishing that they could come out and play with the big-boys on real boats?
ReplyDeleteShit, why didn't anyone tell me this before? It might have changed the way I tried to integrate into Hoofers. Might even have kept me from joining only to have some old-hand club member tell me that I am learning on boats in the "lower fleets" that apparently are not worthy. Man, I wanna be just like you! Where do I sign up?
If you are interested in curing the club of these cliques, illustrated to perfection by your comment, this is certainly not the manner in which to do so. Unless you do not want to cure the divisions between fleets. Many of which the "older members" created to begin with. The cliques, I mean.
Get over yourself. It seems improbable that people like you would be unable to find their own ass with two hands and a hunting dog.
Wow, quite a rant there about the "lower fleets" but i suspect you know that's how they were commonly referred to in the past. Techs, lasers, and Sloops are simpler and easier to operate, i.e. more primitive or "lower" than the keelboats & J's. Like lower animals... snakes, slugs, worms, and such. That's not cliquey, it's just reality. Speaking of worms and snakes, the real clique is the paid instructors club, and the BOC club. If you ain't in one of those, then you are not in the club.... you're just a paying customer.
ReplyDeleteAs for the "bong" marina, Herb has been seen on board from time to time, but he is not 100% compatible with sailing because sailboats are too wet, and herb very much prefers to stay dry. That may be why booze goes better with sailing... a little lake water in the Brewski never hurt anything.
Yeah lower fleets was always every day reference at the club. Had nothing to do with class or status. Lower fleets techs lasers sloops scows and others are all grouped in.
ReplyDeleteHugh would have a hard time sparking on the water under blue flag. Makes sinse.
You people must smoke some weird shit. Lower fleets? Upper fleets? More skilled than an earthworm? Instructors Club? BOC Club? Booze goes better with sailing? Herb in your Bong Marina?
ReplyDeleteHave you been with the club long? This is my first time viewing, and having looked back at some of the posts and comments, you must see an entirely different view of the club than I have over the last two years.
Yes, I am a paid instructor. But I EARN it! It is not something given to me because I "fit in" or "get along"....because I don't. I EARN it! The only difference between volunteer and paid instructors has to do with the number of lessons given each week. That is all there is to it.
But please do not respond? I tend to agree with the anonymous person that said you all could not find your asses with two hands and a hunting dog. Ask yourself...do not tell me...but is there anything you like about the club?
And if tehre is not, or you all wish for a time long ago and far away, why do you bother to dwell on it so much? So have at me. I will not be checking back into this crap. Ever.
Yeah, let's see some of these Upper Fleet sailors strap on a C or E scow. And then tell us that we are earthworms sailing in lower fleets. Many of them could not even get a sloop to the dock in any sort of wind. No wonder your bunch made all of the "checklists" for a member to get rated on a keel boat.
ReplyDeleteThe writers of this blog, and many of those leaving comments are hopelessly uninformed. Seems as though some of these people have not even been with the club for quite some time. They appear to be out of the loop. Big Time.
Time to hang it up, Hoofer Haters. Time to do something more productive than making complaints about what in my experience as a top-notch sailing club. Have any of you blogsters and commenters ever belonged to a Yacht Club? You would fit in that sort of environment.
You are good for a laugh though. Have to give you that.
Sincerely;
Lower fleet sailor.
Upper and Lower fleets is just how they've always been described on the Ratings Chart. Means nothing. Scow sailors and a paid instructor are butthurt now. I actually thought scows were Upper Fleet, meaning they required a Tech & 420 or Sloop rating. But they keep changing the ratings charts anyways.
ReplyDeleteUpper and lower fleets was never meant as a put down. Just a way to organize things at the club.
ReplyDeleteI've been to a few Yacht Clubs as a guest. Thankfully as a guest. The ones I visited were stuffy and not a lot of fun to be around. The beauty of Hoofers is that it is not one of those places. The unwashed masses pool their resources and sail upper/lower fleet boats for a fraction of the cost. The unwashed masses are there to sail and have fun. And they get both.
Without Hoofers the barrier to entry into sailing is high. Very high. Oh, sure you can have a laser or two rotting on a trailer next to a garage but look at what you do get at Hoofers! Pretty frigging amazing. It's a deal.
Agreed. The low lifes, er, lower fleet sailors (and instructors) up above missed the point. No one said Tech or Sloop sailors are worms, only that Techs and Badger slops are simpler boats than a J24 or Precision 27. Yes there are some bad keelboat sailors too but most know their shit. I am not including certain lazy, middle-aged kb sailors who never set foot on anything that might get them wet.
ReplyDeleteChecklists are used for kb ratings because they are more complex than other club boats, including scows or 420's. I mostly sail the big boats but also have 420 and I-20 heavy ratings and could sail circles around anyone on the racing team.
Just because you can roll-tack a 420 doesn't mean you are God's next gift to racing, it just means you know how to roll tack a dinghy.
Some of the comments highlight an ongoing problem in Hoofers: anyone with a Tech heavy or 420 rating thinks they are the next Dennis Conner, when in reality they are just a plebe (military term for worm). The plebe instructors sign eachother off for various other ratings then, reinforcing the delusion.
By the way, scows used to be considered an upper fleet due to their complexity.
Seems that my valid comment was quietly removed by the blog-host. If they remove stuff that they do not agree with, how can this blog be called factual? How do we know which issue are or are not manufactured?
ReplyDeleteI saved a copy and posted it below.
The Worm
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Agree on your 420 comment about some of them thinking they are Dennis Connor. Oh, and by the way Anonymous 7:46 pm, the only time I have seen an instructor give a rating to another instructor...that instructor was fired the very next day. You are out of touch, perhaps? Or you listen too much to the crap on this site. Or, you are set in your ways.
With all due respect, you seem brighter than the person who spews out the half-truths and outright lies on this site. But perhaps he does not know the truth, as it has been some time since he was able to be a member.
The Worm
Wed Oct 03, 09:11:00 PM PDT
I don't care much about the politics or new piers or who is the best sailor. Tell me when I can take my parents on a sloop with a pitcher of terrace beer and take off my life-jacket when it's too hot outside and I'll tell you when the club is working again. Having to sneak beers and put my life jacket on near the piers so that the head honchos can have "Plausible Deniability" of any liability is a drag. Sneaking around a beer in the backpack is for high school. Saves money is the only advantage.
ReplyDelete@Worm (aka Anon?): We did not delete your earlier ocmment. I certainly didn't. Occasionally with blogger it will appear that a comment posted successfully and it later turns out it did not.
ReplyDeleteThat said, your comment at 05:18 probably ought to be deleted. We don't delete things we disagree with, we delete things that are false or libelous. Your saying that we post outright lies is absolutely false. We might inadvertently post an occasional half-truth, but it's impossible to expound 100% on everything.
It is not impossible to "expound" on everything if you have a head that has a brain inside of it, right? I am NOT ANoN. Wrong, yet again. In your book of rules is that libelous? As I read back, it seemed that ANon was done with your lunacy.
ReplyDeleteSo I am the Worm...the real worm....and (according to many of you)...nothing but the worm. It happens that I also run a blog. Thus I think you are saying that the comment did not post through some "error" on blogger? Sure.
At least be honest enough to say that you took it out because that post raised some questions about your integrity. Because you seem to lack integrity.
The Worm